Religious debate - No flaming here...

zerimar3 thank you for completely misunderstanding my explaination.

I never said that all the stuff said in the bible was true, but after all the variations of the creation of life by God that I've heard, never did it mention giant lizards roaming the planet, and THEN sometime afterwards Man came along. If the God is the creator of the universe, then why did the bible leave out all the things that happened in the past? Because it was written before they tasted any type of archaeological theories that exist now. Do I have any 'scriptures' to back me up? No, because I find them to be quite fictional as the next Harry Potter. I'm 100% atheist, so no, I'm not backing up religion whatsoever.

damn. Would you like some fries with that there degree?

I simply wanted to point out that the idea that man preceded eveything is ridiculous and that there is a lot more "living" things before even dinosaurs.

Also... "So common sense alone would tell us that this was guided by who? A man? Hmm, c'mon now, let's be realistic"......you almost had me with that comment.........but "common sense" & "realism" leds me to believe its not gods work. God is in no way realistic or related common sense. Maybe im interpreting it wrong/missed the point? You broke my brain when you said "peptide bonds"....so I dunno.


(goes and hides in the corner like a frightened turtle)

ok, for anyone who thinks the bible says man preceded all life, umm, it doesn't. creation is covered in genesis 1, where God creates a number of things, among them sea creatures and birds are mentioned on day 5, then cattle and a variety of "beast" on day 6, then man. and if you want more specifics, one of the words in the original text in hebrew (i need to look up the term) translates roughly to "great lizards". interesting, hmm?

if you want to say something is incorrect, its generally wise to have some clue what it says to start with...

chris

Originally posted by zerimar3
Spectra:
You stated: "According to the bible, it would be impossible for dinosaurs to exist."

How so? Where exactly "according" to the bible would this state that it is impossible?

Just asking.

Zeirmar3

Well, if we were made in the image of god, then why were dinosaurs made first? Were we an after thought? And didn't death only occur after Adam first sinned? So how could the dinosaurs die before this? Or do you believe that the Great Flood killed all the dinosaurs? And if so, did Noah pack two dinosaurs on his Arc? And do you also believe that carbondating and our science of determining the age of our planet is wrong? As well, do you believe man walked with dinosaurs, or do you believe they even existed at all?

addendum:

Tanniyn (hebrew)
1. dragon, serpent, sea monster
a. dragon or dinosaur
b. sea or river monster
c. serpent, venomous snake

http://www.biblestudytools.net/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=08577&version=kjv

chris

Ah the great debate! My email box is lighting up like a lonely crack smoker in the dead of winter!!!!

Originally posted by Fig
addendum:

Tanniyn (hebrew)
1. dragon, serpent, sea monster
a. dragon or dinosaur
b. sea or river monster
c. serpent, venomous snake

http://www.biblestudytools.net/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=08577&version=kjv

chris

Considering the word dinosaur is less then 200 years old, I don't think that religous groups trying to prove that dinosaurs roamed around in biblical times have a very strong case. I think its very convenient for them to say "dinosaur" also meant "Tanniyn".

!mo0chan!
Thanks for not completely explaining your clarification in the beginning. But then again, I never stated that you claimed the bible to be true, I just asked if you had any valid proof on clarifying Spectra's statement...ditto on your comment. Now why doesn't the bible mention any colossal lizards roaming the earth, well if you read the bible instead of just 'hearing' variations you'd know it does mention them in certain areas. Why are they not mentioned? Probably because it has nothing to do with getting with my relationship to God in terms of love.

If you purchase a Mercedes Benz, do the dealers tell you the names of all the guys who worked on the car back at the main plant? Of course not, they only tell you the safety features, you pick the color and off to the financing department. Now gee, why would they leave out the information of the past like that? Probably because it has nothing to do with your owning experience. Now because God is love, who gives a flip if there were gargantuan animals pounding the earth. What does that have to do with my loving God? Probably nothing. Now I would agree that Harry Potter compared to the bible if it wasn't for the fact that after time transcended all the information matched up. So then what the prophets of the Old Testament prophesied, hit it on the nail hundreds of years later. To bad Harry Potter couldn't do that.

Rodder:
Man, I'm just like the next guy in line partner. Really, I just tend to lean into studying because I want and need facts on life. We're only here once and I want to be of benefit to those around me. Now concerning God being realistic. He really is my friend. You don't know how real He is. And very common sense, but we wouldn't know it unless we study His ways. See all we know is what our humanistic reasoning and carnal understanding can comprehend. So it's true that in our economy of knowledge, we won't think God is common sense or realistic. That's why returning to the beginning is important, very important.

I'm talking about before we were all taught these ideas of philosophical perspectives of trying to think a certain way. The firs things, the innocence of things. And that's common sense in itself. How often do we hear of those with trouble and chaos in life and when they seek some type of counseling, they're taken as far back to the root of the problem and try to figure out where to go from there. It's the same thing, we must go back to the root of life and go from there, with no influence from the opinions of others who just repeat hearsay. I'm tellin' you man, this stuff is real. So don't hide in the corner like a frightened turtle, come out like a Lion whose whelps are in need.

Cheers,

Zerimar3
"team preacher"

Spectra: And the rest of you cool cats:

Good to hear from you. Hope you're doing well. Now on to your questions. Now why were the dinos made first? To be honest, you'll have to ask God that one. Were we an after thought? Nah, I don't believe so. We were and are the main thought and God, who is the thinker of the thought, fused together the structure of man and breathed into him the breath of life and man became a living soul. Because the bible states in John 1 that in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God (John 1:1). And the "Word" was made flesh, and dwelt among us (meaning Jesus) (John 1:14)

That word "word" comes from the Greek word meaning logos, which attributes to one as a thinker of a thought or as the mental faculty of thinking. Therefore able to bring the thought out and make it abide externally and independently of its own. So then, since Jesus Christ was the "word" of God, He was the living personification of God Himself, being a type of Adam, or as the Bible refers to Christ the second Adam through whom life came forth (1 Corinthians 15:45).

Concerning death. You may be right in that death came after Adam first sinned, but we don't know that death reigned in that time frame alone. Romans 5:14 states that death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression. So then death came after the sin, but not necessarily due to the sin.

About your last few questions on those Dinos, I see it this way. The bible emphatically declares in its opening statement that in the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. That's the first verse which then goes on to the second stating that the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. So here's my question, why would God have created something that was without form and void unless there's somewhat of a time gap within verse 1 and 2. So there might have been a creation somewhere between that, if there was a time frame in it.

Do I believe that carbon dating and our science of determining earth's age is wrong? Yes, to some degree. You see it's always been taught that if chemicals had an ample amount of time to interact in the "warm little ponds" of earthly earth, eventually the improbable would become probable and life would emerge. However, this theory has lost support in recent years. Scientists once believed in the idea of random chance plus time yielding life, because they also believed in the steady-state theory of the universe. This meant the universe was infinitely old, and who knows what could happen if you had an infinite amount of time. But with the discovery of background radiation in the mid 60's, the Big Bang theory came to dominate in cosmology. The bad news for evolution was that this meant the universe was only about 14 billion years old. More recent work has verified that the earth is probably less than 5 billion years old.

The earth spent a long time cooling down to a temperature where it could support life. Based on the discovery of micro-fossils, scientists have now estimated that the time gap between the earth reaching the right temperature and the first emergence of life was only about 4 hundred million years. That's not much time for chemical evolution to take place. So not only is the dating inaccurate on the earth's age, but no one still believes that random chance accounts for the origin of life. So if these cats had it wrong, what's really going on? And for all of you science guys out there, you should know by now that the field of science is really looking to start from square one.

So let's break it down here. When God created all the stuff on the earth then made Adam, what would happen if Adam on the eighth, ninth, or tenth day have cut a tree down. He would've looked at the circles of the tree; better known as dendrochronology (or the dating of trees) and have thought that the tree was there for 4 hundred years prior.
That's why I don't put my trust in science, what is learned today is obsolete tomorrow. Think about it, and perhaps ask yourself if you're on target on what you believe.
Okay I'm off to study for my finals, but I'll check in later.

Peace out

Zerimar3
"team preacher"

i dont believe in god at all, my parents force me to to churce (cathloc) and make me be an altar boy

i think because they make me do it it makes me hate it more

they say i need to do it because it looks good for college and i can quit before college, but this really pisses me off

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