Moore's New Film Blocked

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I just don't know if I'm comfortable with Disney or any corporation being able to block whatever they want though. Shoot look at what they already own.

i guess i don't quite understand this comment. how can you not be comfortable with di$ney not choosing to distribute a project they have rights to?

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Because of paradigms. Flackbait is a liberal. Liberal's are supposed to be 'anti-big company'. Government is supposed to be our great benefactor. Government protects us poor individuals from the evil corporate empire.... but I'll just let him answer for himself.

The government should not screw with the private sector (except for the physical safety of the consumer). Racism punishes itelf - no one is going to eat somewhere where they discriminate - it's bad publicity. Whether something is entertaining enough should be left up to the media company to decide. FORCING companies to take every idea, be it slipshod or not, and pour resources into it is absurd.

Nos.

I side with Nostalgia.

Heh...no really, I'm not joking.

The company can do whatever the hell it wants as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.

WTF?!

Nos.

[QUOTE=Fig]i guess i don't quite understand this comment. how can you not be comfortable with di$ney not choosing to distribute a project they have rights to?

chris[/QUOTE]

Disney contractually can only stop Miramax from releasing a film if its has a NC-17 rating. So there trying to pull a fast one on Moore saying that his movie just doesn't fit Disney's happy go lucky image and that fans of disney would just feel really out of place. Ironically Disney owns WABC which broadcasts Rush Limbaugh and Miramax has produced films like Pulp Fiction and what not which you can argue isn't exactly Disney. Soooo I'm pissed about Disney trying to censor Moore's movie. It's funny because Moore's movie was made with money from Disney.


Hey malibu, cram it with walnuts... :p

his fans are total dupes.

hmmm.... *scratching chin....*

- OR - we can appreciate people exposing issues that most paid off, politically, financially corrupt news organizations won't. While most ignorant Americans look the other way. Well, Moore doesn't look the other way, and besides, look at the attention he's brought to these issues. Agree or not, you looked. That's a victory in itself to Moore.

Government is supposed to be our great benefactor. Government protects us poor individuals from the evil corporate empire.

Malibu! - Wrong. And, wrong.

Not a 'Democratic' Government, which, we know is a lame disguise of what our Government really represents - a profit engine for campaign contributors. (Looky how high oil industry stocks are now! Y'all happy down in Texas, now?! You betcha!)

As far as your mocking of protecting poor individuals from the evil corporate empire - you're not as far off as you think, old friend.

Tell your joke to my Conservative, Republican father who's photography studio was forced into Chapter 11 after 25 years due to Wal-Mart crapping out portraits of the chocoloate-faced crybaby kids for $5 under cost. Now, 1 out of every 115 Americans works for Wal-Mart and they can't even bring their crybaby kids in for family pictures, partially because their $5 wages and lousy benefits can't pay for Antibiotics that the kid needs because the parents can't afford a jacket for the kid to go to school; and partially because things like family portraits don't seem all that important when you can't afford diapers. And they still vote for tax cuts to big business? Vomit.

Wake up, that's all Michael Moore wants. I can't disagree.

Tell your joke to my Conservative, Republican father who's photography studio was forced into Chapter 11 after 25 years due to Wal-Mart crapping out portraits of the chocoloate-faced crybaby kids for $5 under cost.

Well we know who the better company is, don't we?

Wake up, that's all Michael Moore wants.

No, no, no.. he wants the money from the dupes that actually believe that's what he wants. There's nothing wrong with that - it's a good marketing tactic, but don't act like he's some kind of bold political analyst. He's a business man. Opposing Bush is pretty trendy these days, and the mainstream news does it plenty, so i'm not entirely sure what you mean concerning Moore "exposing" issues.

Nos.

Opposing Bush is pretty trendy these days

Well, it's easy enough, for sure. But, let's not get off topic.

Your beef is with whom, exactly? Michael Moore - business man, film maker, political analyst, whatever - or his fans?

We're "dupes" - which is different from any other fan of anyone, apparently. Why, exactly? Because he wants people to hear what he has to express? I'm sure you've posted something in this forum for the same reason. Promoting your work isn't sending you to hell, pal. Making money off it isn't bad, either, I'd venture to say.

I think at some point, Nos, Moore said something against one of your political mantras and it pissed you off and now, you've blacklisted him from ever actually making a valid point - because he made money off political scrutiny? Ever seen Saturday Night Live? I'm a dupe for watching that, too?

When and if you want to expose yourself to more of his research - I'd recommend 'Stupid White Men' - what I read of it is really good - actually pretty hilarious.

Personally, I can't wait for Fahrenheit 911. I think people should listen to what he has to say and make their own opinions. Thinking for yourself has never been popular among conservatives, however.

Big Brother is watching you, too (especially you, Malibu) ;)

We're "dupes" - which is different from any other fan of anyone, apparently. Why, exactly? Because he wants people to hear what he has to express? I'm sure you've posted something in this forum for the same reason. Promoting your work isn't sending you to hell, pal. Making money off it isn't bad, either, I'd venture to say.

I think at some point, Nos, Moore said something against one of your political mantras and it pissed you off and now, you've blacklisted him from ever actually making a valid point - because he made money off political scrutiny? Ever seen Saturday Night Live? I'm a dupe for watching that, too?

No, you've completely missed my point.

Michael Moore is a business man who uses political jargon as his product. My "beef" is with those who take Michael Moore as a serious political analyst, rather than a comedian with apparent political views. I have no problems with him expressing his views.

Yes, those who watch Saturday Night Live for a serious political analysis are dupes. The same can be said for Moore and his work.

I have seen Bowling for Columbine, and read "Dude where's my country?". I have not gotten around to "Stupid White Men", but i'm sure i will eventually.

Well, it's easy enough, for sure.

I never denied that it was not easy to oppose Bush. I mentioned Bush-hating being the trend these days because you were bedazzled by Moore's supposed valor in the media ("..appreciate people exposing issues that most paid off, politically, financially corrupt news organizations won't"). It doesn't take any kind of bravery to critisize the President. Look at the Dixie Chicks, Dave Matthews, John Kerry, ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, etc. The only mainstream news network that SUPPORTS the President (for the most part) is FOX, and they recieve a ton of criticism for doing so.

Nos.

Yes, those who watch Saturday Night Live for a serious political analysis are dupes. The same can be said for Moore and his work.

I see what you're saying, but I disagree 100%. I suppose no musicians, athletes or actors are legitimate political figures either, Ronald Reagan. ;)

Each of these forms of media have millions of viewers in their audience - therefore, by airing their opinions, they become a serious political force. Some of which are legitimate voices about legitimate issues. It allows us to see how truly stupid most political regimes and agendas are by tying a real-world link to the issues.

There are plenty of comedians that have legitimate political clout - they're lucky, because they can say what they want, and have a back up plan: "I'm just a comedian" when things go wrong. Sounds like a dream job, no?

George Carlin, Dennis Miller, Lewis Black, Chris Rock, Michael Moore (if you must classify him as a comedian) Al Franken, Saturday Night Live, the Daily Show, South Park, and much more - all influence millions of voters each election year. (thankfully, if you ask me.)