"Present"

Originally posted by afguy91506
it exhists only in a human word but not in the world. that def. is explain it as a human word. there isnt a division between the two. time can be broken down and cant stop being broken down ever.

It does exist. Just like you can have a point in geometry which has no dimensions, the present is an infinitessimally small and non-measurable element.

The present is the meeting between the future and the past.

Originally posted by thehermit
How can a concept exist? ;) Time and the explanation of it, is a man made convention.

It's not a concept, it's a reality. There are x, y, z, and time coordinates. The first three are simple, but time states where that object was, is, or will be at a certain point in time.

I suggest you read "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking.

Time is just an abstract thought. If it was as concrete as plotting and tracing coordinated we would also have the ability to manipulate it, but we don't. There is no measurement for the present like seconds or minutes, so if you look at it from the point of lengths of time, the present doesn't exist.

Originally posted by afguy91506 If it was as concrete as plotting and tracing coordinated we would also have the ability to manipulate it, but we don't.

You just made an incorrect conjecture and used it to spring board into your other idea. (Basically you said: If a = b and b = c then a = d)

I never said it was concrete, but it does exist. If I wanted to tell you the location of something percisely (or better yet, when it was going to be there) I would have to tell you x, y, and z coordinates as well as when it was going to be in the said location.

Time does exist.

Originally posted by afguy91506 There is no measurement for the present like seconds or minutes, so if you look at it from the point of lengths of time, the present doesn't exist.

Just as there can be a point on a coordinate plane, which has no mass nor dimensions, there can be a point in time, the present, which cannot be measured but exists.

Go buy "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking so I don't have to keep explaining this.

lol you have so much issues with me it's funny i think you just LOVE debating me on stuff i think your avatar reflex your attitude.. u look so pissed off it was just a thought i came up with ...chill.

We have debated two topics. Our only encounters yes, but it's still just two topics.

I'm not angry, I just think the book would interest you and do a much better job of explaining it than I could.

it's all good in the hood lol i was just sittin around doing nothing thinking about it and the idea just kinda formed in my head...

Don't mess with Tele, he is a friggin theoretical d00d. And I agree with the dictionary, present is nor past nor future, it is the thing NOW.

Ugh, afguy learn how to properly use the english language before trying to act like you can form ideas with it.

As Tele said, it's a concept - so is every other exact science. We can't "prove" anything because we use our other "proofs" to do so. The present is - in our reality, in the way we define our world - the time in which we exist. The past is the time we had existed in, and the future is the time in which we have yet to live.

Furthermore, if you like to debate, i would be very happy if you would head on over to dreamsforsale.net and post afew ideas you may have. We are in dire need of activity, and i'm sure afew good threads could do it.

Nos.

Per Tele's advice... here's a quote from Hawkin's "A Brief History of Time"

... we do not know what is happening at the moment farther away in the universe: the light that we see from distant galaxies left them millions of years ago and in the case of the most distant object that we have seen, the light left some eight thousand million years ago. Thus, when we look at the universe, we are seeing it as it was in the past.

So, one theory would be that the in observing the present, you are ALWAYS looking at the past, because the light which allows you to see objects actually bounced OFF said objects in the past!

Present exists. It's now. And now. And now again. Oh, and now too. Now. Now. Now. Now. Now. Now. Now. Now. And now. Now. And now. Now again. It keep's moving. 1 second ago was the past. In a few seconds it will be the present, and a few hours from now is the future. The present state constantly moves along with time. It's not meant to be measured, it's made to keep moving. Get it?