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Sep 10th 2003#121298 Report
Member since: Aug 10th 2001
Posts: 793
I think the mother should be the target of this sue, for a kid this young its the mother to watch wath his kids are doing, and in this case she should have check if wath they where doing was legal.

You might think of me as a monster, bu I don't think its wrong to sue for action done by a child, but the target the parents, who should be responsible for thei kids actions. They where big user (1000 and more is a lot) than they get sued.

Thwe mother sya they where not profiting form it, but in my opinion listining to a tune is profiting form it...

Also, I think the medias should be blamed to, they all went to her house like if this as a big storie... Could the media leave her alone.. or at least only come if the mother aggred first...
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Sep 10th 2003#121314 Report
Member since: May 1st 2002
Posts: 3034
cd's are over priced :\ I refuse to buy until they go down to like 10bux, maybe these companies should spend more time and money towards marketing and lowering prices rather than being stupid
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Sep 10th 2003#121318 Report
Member since: Apr 20th 2002
Posts: 3000
I stream rip my tracks.

*hides a 50CD spindle of MP3 backups*
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Sep 10th 2003#121319 Report
Member since: May 1st 2002
Posts: 3034
hehe maybe those are just the "personal" backups of all the cd's you've lost over the years mo0mo0
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Sep 10th 2003#121321 Report
Member since: Apr 20th 2002
Posts: 3000
i've got Nirvana and stuff backed up ... the original CDs are like ... scratched up beyond recognition.
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Sep 10th 2003#121324 Report
Member since: Oct 6th 2002
Posts: 1003
As I understand the situation, having downloaded Mp3's on your computer isn't illegal, unless you share them. So, just don't share them. The drawback, however, is that if too many people do this, then the entire problem's a moot point, because nothing will be available for download by anyone.

But...

The entire 'industry' or whatever, is too big to really police in such a manner as they are trying to do. The last time I was on kazaa, I think the stats at the bottom read something like 10 million users, sharing like 80 million gigs of information just on Kazaa. I mean, that's one network. Then there's the old crap, like gnutella, and whatever else, which are seldom used by the hardcore downloaders. They're always going to be 2 steps behind. I mean, no one can know what's happening on the entire internet at any given time. What about p2p setups, just on small College or High School LAN's? I mean, you can turn AIM or ICQ into kazaa, at any given time. What about Apple's rendezvous? Then there's direct connect. How many people are on that?

I mean, the entire situation is just too big, and I think they're going about it the wrong way by suing a freakin' 12 year old girl. I mean, any way you slice it, no matter if the parent's are at fault, it's just bad PR for an organization like the RIAA to go after a 12 YEAR OLD GIRL. And seriously, are people going to buy a product from a company that they fear might sue them? I mean...do they seriously think this is going to work?

You know what I say? The last CD I bought was in tenth grade. It was $18.99+ 8% sales tax. I'm 18 now, and I Always have new music. People are always coming to me, asking me about bands, and which CD's they should buy or download. I am the music guru to all of the people I know.

That should give you an idea of how much music I download.

You know what I say?

Bring it on RIAA....

Bring it on...

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Sep 10th 2003#121336 Report
Member since: Mar 18th 2001
Posts: 1604
The mother said she signed up for KaZaA, paying a $29.95 fee. "If you're paying for it, you're not stealing it, so what is this all about?" she asked.


what the heck did she sign up for?

whatever the case, while it may seem stupid to have sued a 12-year old i can't necessarily say its wrong. i mean, if she meets the requirements for people they've "targeted" then so be it. i'm not saying a thing about whether or not its right or wrong that she took the music, simply that if she stole a cd or a movie or something else from a store (which is what the riaa equates all this to) then she would be liable in a similar manner. the riaa is also supposedly offering "amnesty" to people on the list if they agree to stop downloading music and sign an affadavit.

i read something a few days ago about a label dropping their cd prices by a few bucks, which has been long in coming and may help things; other labels are supposed to file suit. i like this article that talks about how the music industry blew it when they did nothing as the internet emerged as a distribution medium. the success of apple's iTunes only shows how true that is

chris
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Sep 10th 2003#121341 Report
Member since: May 12th 2003
Posts: 1088
this is stupid ive had about 5 people tell me this. .. if they want to catch ppl , just go on kazaa there are about 800,0000 of them!

they've only just caught on thtat you can download music ? ? hmmmmmmmmmmm intresting.. .. ..
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Sep 10th 2003#121343 Report
Member since: Oct 6th 2002
Posts: 1003
Originally Posted by Fig
i'm not saying a thing about whether or not its right or wrong that she took the music, simply that if she stole a cd or a movie or something else from a store (which is what the riaa equates all this to) then she would be liable in a similar manner.

Well, then it's dumb on their part to make a claim like that because if you steal a CD, the record company's not going to sue you for copyright infringement, but rather they (Who isn't really 'they', but rather the vendor, who owns the actual CD's) But rather the company will pursue criminal charges on shoplifting, and/or posession of stolen material.

In this situation, however, if it were fully equated to shoplifting, can't really be defined as stolen, because they have no proof where the files came from. You could have borrowed a friend's copy of a given CD, and loaded it onto your HD. I mean, Kazaa (or whatever) cannot be equated to a store in which there are cash registers, security cameras, and so on. I mean, they can't prove where a given file came from. It's not like if a friend gave me a CD as a gift, then the police came after me, after tracing the physical item back to a record store, from where it was stolen (or at least unaccounted for in inventory). Then, I could be charged with posession of stolen property. But this, this is completely different. They can't say where she got it from. Her having Kazaa on her computer and her having some 1000+ songs on her computer is merely circumstancial, unless they completely confiscate the computer, verify all of her history, examine the hard disks with a freakin' electron microscope to find anything that had been deleted, and whatever the hell else they want to do to find out that she has some songs. Probably not even full albums. Then, mind you, there is the issue of who owns the computer, and whether or not they're in some way responsible, then given the fact that she's a minor, and so on, and so on, and so on.

You know what I say?

You wanna get on people for downloading stuff? Go bust some Goddamn kiddy porn perverts and get off us for having some music.

Copyright laws need to be rewritten, dammit

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Sep 10th 2003#121347 Report
Member since: Dec 4th 2001
Posts: 171
This is all cause of greed,no right or wrong. Prices of CD"s haven't gone down, artists aren't getting paid more per cd still, it's all about the head doods at the company's.

That's why they havn't still done what Apple has done with mp3s.
The RIAA needs the MAX money they can get. They want to STOP the whole thing,so that they can make more money that way instead of just following Apple's path. Wich in the end they are going to do. All the money the RIAA get's is from album sales. And I also heard theres like a certain % RIAA gets for cd-rs and burners..

Why the drop in cd sales? Maybe cause now people can actually hear some of the songs that are on the 20 dollar cd and only find 1 good song,and say well...**** buying that cd!
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