building a new comp / cc please

^^^ He's right.

You can always get either the 2.8 one or the 2.4B, and overclock that mother to hell. But that's a whole different story...

OR... you can go the AMD way. :D

AthlonXP 3000+ Barton is IMO better than the P4, and cheaper too. Motherboards for Athlons are also cheaper. So... you can basically just change your motherboard there, and the CPU... and save some money. But that's just me, AMD fanboy. :D

Oh. So you just turn them all down when you aren't using the computer?

Yup pretty much. When you do something processor intensive (like a game) you crank the fans! When your just surfing the net you can lower them. Variable fans are actually really helpful for hot days or rendering a 3d scene...stuff like that.

I actually have 2 variable speed fans. I usually like to keep them around 5000 rpms each(these are highspeed fans..). This cools my Intel 2.4 processor to 95 degrees (f). On a hot day i can hit 115 + degrees so I crank them up over 6000 rpms....cooling back down to about 105 degrees. About 130 degrees is where you start to worry....so without my fans i would be in big trouble! You can see why variable is so helpful.

Also i have to agree with redeye. My 2.4 (256mb ddr 2700) can handle 4 dvds at once...the internet...2 browsers...photoshop and whatever else i want to open. And I only paid $170 (including heatsink (i just use the heatsink as a spare lol)) So you can save yourself a little over 250 bucks and still get awesome performance. Also you can overclock a 2.4 to 2.8 (or higher..depending on how insane you are lol) and bring the FSB up to about 640(?) or more. So 250 dollars cheaper and your still ahead of the game!!

Also for motherboards...if you havent made up your mind..surf on over to http://www.albatron.com.tw. Its a new company...(formed by the former heads of Gigabyte). They have excellent products and outstanding service (custsup. will respond to you in like 5 hours...comment/complaint/problem you name it. they are great guys over there!! )

Originally posted by Malevolent_Jester
^^^ He's right.

You can always get either the 2.8 one or the 2.4B, and overclock that mother to hell. But that's a whole different story...

The thing with that is then I wont be able to get the 800 MHz FSB.

I really really really want that. Don't ask me why because I've no idea. :D

It's not really 800Mhz fsb.

It's 200Mhz fsb but Quadro-Pumped. Yes. That is the official name (sound like a new Jenna Jameson film, eh?). They just take the true 200Mhz fsb... and make it seem like 800.

venom intel has hyperthread 800mhz fsb 2.4ghz - 3.0ghz now... so you can have 800 mhz fsb

We are really not even ready for 800FSB. 533 is still considered high end and 266 is the norm. What are you going to use your computer for anyway?? Do you have Windows nt/xp or similar?? Cause those are currently the only OS's that support hyperthreading (that i know of....i know win98 doesnt :-( )

Also

"The thing with that is then I wont be able to get the 800 MHz FSB"

You will have an 800fsb board but it will run at 533. when prices fall you can upgrade so you can use the full 800. Also im willing to bet a cheaper 533 processor now + and 800fsb uprade later will most likely be cheaper than the 3 gig chip right now.


Lol @ Quadro-Pumped comment. That def. sounds like a jenna film. Although how would it be possible...she would have to subsitute a nostril or an ear to complete the quad part of it..ouch lol. But after a houston 500...i guess anything is possible!

Originally posted by redeye
venom intel has hyperthread 800mhz fsb 2.4ghz - 3.0ghz now... so you can have 800 mhz fsb

Can you point me in the right direction for the 2.4?

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=19-116-158&refer=pricewatch

i dont know if you know about www.pricewatch.com but its a great computer price search engine.

if your using te 875 chipset you may not want pc 2700 ram

the 875 can use pc 3200 ram, it also supports dual channel

if you dont know, dual channel means that when you have identical sticks of memory (ex 2-256, or 2-512) it will act as if you have double the amount of memory

so if you had 2-512 sticks, instead of having 1024mb, its like having 2048mb

im not sure if the 2700 supports dual channel, but i know the 3200 does, also the 3200 is faster, since the 3200 isnt much more expensive it would not be smart to save money in the beginning and upgrade later, u should just get it originally


also, the radeon 9700 is no longer top the the line, the newest is now the 9800

You will not notice a difference between PC2700 and PC3200 (other than the amount of cash leftover). The only reason to get PC3200 is if you plan on overclocking. Since PC3200 is DDR400, which means you can easily have an fsb of 200 with the RAM at a 1:1 ratio. But you will not notice a difference between PC2700 and PC3200 in running programs/games.

Yes, Dual Channel DDR is better. However, it does not mean having twice the amount of RAM... it just means that the amount of RAM that you do have will work more efficiently. That is all.

Yes, PC2700 supports Dual Channel, however not all chipsets do. For Pentiums the 875P one does (I think, not a big P4 guru). However for AMD CPU's it's only nForce2 that will support DCDDR.

Just go with the PC2700, unless you really, really, really want PC3200. But if you will overclock, get either PC3200 or 3500. Or hell, even PC3700. Although there are no companies that make PC3700 with aggressive enough timings. But that's off topic... so post has now ended.