The Passion of the Christ

Heard it's a good one to sleep through. So far, that's all I've heard about it.

I'll probably skip it, to be honest. Not to get anyone's panties in a bunch, it just doesn't interest me. I think it's funny to see how people are reacting to it, actually. It's exposing a lot of hypocrisy, fanatisicm, and racism. Exposing ignorance is always fun for me.

I haven't seen the movie but you are really close minded about it. I read a bunch of sh*t about it and it's really anti-semetic. Gibson added a bunch of stuff in the movie that is anti-semetic and is not even in the Bible, he added it on his own will.

What in particular did he add himself (that wasn't in the Gospels) that is anti-semetic?

And yes, his dad said that, but Mel Gibson didn't. What's your point? I'm sure i could pull out a ton of comments that your parents have said, given the transcripts of their life.

Nos.

Originally Posted by random
Just amazing. I felt like the whole experience was made for me. Like I was the only one in the theater. Hearing it in the original languages made the setting so real and consuming...it was just an excellent movie. I can't believe the negative press that has come out about it. Anything that is purely critical comes from a source with an agenda, and they're way off base about the movie. See it for yourself. It's powerful.

I haven't seen the movie but you are really close minded about it. I read a bunch of sh*t about it and it's really anti-semetic. Gibson added a bunch of stuff in the movie that is anti-semetic and is not even in the Bible, he added it on his own will. His father even stated that he believed that "most, if not all, of the Holocaust was fiction." I think it would be interesting to see as a period piece, but even that is degraded because he lost a lot of cred' by putting his own spin on it.

Tele: Your post has to be the most closed minded, swayed by interest groups, narrowly stated post in this entire thread. GO SEE THE MOVIE, then come back in here and post your own thoughts, not someone elses.

That said, some bible authorities I trust have stated that it is the most realistic, powerful, accurate portrayal of the Passion they've ever seen. :D (Laughin' at myself). Billy Graham said he is forever changed having seen it.

I will post my own thoughts after I see it. I am nervous about seeing it.

what tele posted is one of the reasons i dont listen to critics most of the time

[QUOTE=Telemakhos]I haven't seen the movie but you are really close minded about it. I read a bunch of sh*t about it and it's really anti-semetic. Gibson added a bunch of stuff in the movie that is anti-semetic and is not even in the Bible, he added it on his own will. His father even stated that he believed that "most, if not all, of the Holocaust was fiction." I think it would be interesting to see as a period piece, but even that is degraded because he lost a lot of cred' by putting his own spin on it.[/QUOTE]

I knew somebody would post something like this. Just not sure who it would be. If you notice my first post I said I could not comment on it because I have not seen it yet. I'd suggest if this is your line of thinking you do the same.

Yeah, I've seen those stories. And I've also seen stories exactly the opposite. I don't understand how people can have such a strong opinion on something they just "heard" about. And I'm not singling you out. I'm talking about all these people that were protesting before the movie even came out. Already people are backtracking about their statements. I think mainly because the movie is doing so well they don't want to look like fools.

Remember. Most "experts" thought the movie wouldn't make any money at all. Guess a lot of people got a huge wake up call ;)

hook, line and sinker, eh, pank?

I had a feeling this thread would spark up some testy conversation, as well. The first amendment thread earlier this week was a good one, too. I'm so mad at the censors I could spit!

I honestly was just curious on what people who had actully seen it thought of it. I have an idea from what I have heard but wanted to hear first hand from some people.

I haven't seen the movie but you are really close minded about it. I read a bunch of sh*t about it and it's really anti-semetic. Gibson added a bunch of stuff in the movie that is anti-semetic and is not even in the Bible, he added it on his own will. His father even stated that he believed that "most, if not all, of the Holocaust was fiction." I think it would be interesting to see as a period piece, but even that is degraded because he lost a lot of cred' by putting his own spin on it.

so not having seen the movie, how do you know that un factual information was added?
and maybe he did "put his own spin on it." isn't that what religon has been doing all along anyway?

[QUOTE=Nostalgia]What in particular did he add himself (that wasn't in the Gospels) that is anti-semetic?

And yes, his dad said that, but Mel Gibson didn't. What's your point? I'm sure i could pull out a ton of comments that your parents have said, given the transcripts of their life.

Nos.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that was a pretty close-minded post.

I don't really remember all the crap in the article but a couple are:
-Jesus being thrown off a bridge and his chains stopping his fall as well as beating by the Romans on that occasion is not in the bible at all.
-Supposedly there is an earthquake at the and the Jewish synogogue is very specifically destroyed which is not in the Bible.
-It portrays Caiaphus(sp) as being the most influential in Jesus' sentence when in fact Pontius Pilate, the governer of the province in the Roman empire had a history of murdering dissenters (he had some tribe or the like murdered because he did not feel like dealing with it and was criticized for his actions by the Roman authorities) and it was his say, which was not waivering, that ultimately killed Jesus.

[QUOTE=Deker]You're being pretty closed minded yourself for judging a movie you haven't even seen Telemakhos, why not try seeing it and forming your own opinion instead of basing it on an article you read. I'm sure if anyone is "spinning" anything, it's the media...[/QUOTE]
These examples are not "media spinning." They are accounts which are added by the director not present in history. They also go by "things that are made up in order to portray an ethnic group in a negative light by mixing personal feelings with historical fact."

And the biggest beef I have with this whole Jesus business is the fact that Christians (yes, I just made a stereotype) have the concept that they were specifically persecuted unfairly by the evil Roman empire. That's a load of BS. It's more complicated then the Romans trying to stifle a religion. They let thousands of other religions congregate in the empire and persecuted very few. People should read Pliny and his letters to the emporer about the matter.

[QUOTE=Pank]Remember. Most "experts" thought the movie wouldn't make any money at all. Guess a lot of people got a huge wake up call [/QUOTE]
This is not directed at you, but rather a comment to the douche bags who predicted this movie to do horribly. Wow. A Jesus movie in America? That would do not do well? It has a built in audience of a large percentage of Christians who are going to see it just because it's about Jesus and no other reason. It could have been a sh*tty movie and it would still make millions.

MATTHEW 26: 3Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest,whose name was Caiaphas, 4and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. 5"But not during the Feast," they said, "or there may be a riot among the people."

MARK 14: 65They all condemned him as worthy of death. Then some began to spit at him; they blindfolded him, struck him with their fists, and said, "Prophesy!" And the guards took him and beat him.

MATTHEW 27: 50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. 52The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.


Watch the movie and then read the Gospels, you'll find it's remarkably close. There are things added that aren't in the Gospels, but remember that the Gospels weren't the only sources used in the creation of the movie. They went through things that were prophecied about Jesus' death, and remarks made in later books. There were also theological consultants who read tons of historical accounts other than the Bible. But really, how important are the scenes that were added or changed?

And the biggest beef I have with this whole Jesus business is the fact that Christians (yes, I just made a stereotype) have the concept that they were specifically persecuted unfairly by the evil Roman empire. That's a load of BS

Yeah, um Nero blamed the Christians for the burning of Rome. Christians were the scapegoats of the empire - it was dangerous to even admit your alliegance to Christ, which is where the "Fish" symbol came from. Christians would draw it in the sand, kind of like a secret code. The thing is, all those other religions that were accepted by the Romans were allowed because they said "sure, Roman gods are cool too." But Christians refused to acknowledge the existence of any god but their own.