iPod Mini: Failure.

I think in the future it would be cool to ban people who make these pointless threads :\
(hah and I thought paavo was radical :P )

just an idea :B

sorry apple haters, but the truth is APPLE ROCKS and so does the NEW MINI talking about failure is total nonsense., it will be a grand success , just the fact that it will be in colors will make this a hit. Im getting one. Ipads are not all about image paavo, you have one you should know how good the sofware is, functunality and simplicity what else do people want??

[QUOTE=dreamdesign]sorry apple haters, but the truth is APPLE ROCKS and so does the NEW MINI talking about failure is total nonsense., it will be a grand success , just the fact that it will be in colors will make this a hit. Im getting one. Ipads are not all about image paavo, you have one you should know how good the sofware is, functunality and simplicity what else do people want??[/QUOTE]

Wow, I really can't say much for the people that buy products because of their color. Those people lack common sense and are not able to make proper economic decisions. Yes, the Mini is smaller. However, not small enough in comparison to the regular iPod. I cannot think of an application where the 15% size decrease will be useful. White goes with everything, it's the perfect color for a product (even though it's technically not a color). It's simple, you can wear the white iPod on your Versace suit when going to Sean Connery's birthday party, or you can wear it out when going to pig out on Big Macs with your friends. It doesn't matter. Unless the Mini's colors will be interchangeable, it will not succeed just because of it's color.

Yes, things have shifted a little towards the pro-Mini side after the posters above me listed it's standard features.

Still, we shall wait and see.

Originally posted by Malevolent_Jester
Wow, I really can't say much for the people that buy products because of their color. Those people lack common sense and are not able to make proper economic decisions.

Ok, how many times do we have to go over this: Computer savvy is not common sense. You see, for how many people go out and buy cars because they look cool, or are cute, or they like the color, there are even fewer people who would actually look at things like gas mileage, consumer reports, and so on. There are fewer people still who actually would pursue the advice of a mechanic, would research the product, look into crash tests, AND actually have a pre-standing knowledge of cars. Not just an all-around knowledge, but to know a car the way that some of us know a computer system, or an OS, or photoshop. Now, you see, the first type of person makes up a far larger part of the buying public than does the person who actually knows what they're talking about.

I think some geeks (Myself included) have a tendency to believe that things that come easily to them, must also come easily to everyone else. These are things like an understanding of a 4 gb iPod Mini, vs. a 15 gb Standard iPod, and the difference of $50 for a difference of 11 gigabytes. Let's be honest here, of the 2,000,000+ people who have purchased an iPod, I'd bet that roughly half purchased them as image items, or as fancy gadgetry, so they can be the envy of their friends for a few days. Thus, it is clear that there is an undeniably large market of people who would buy a product because it's 'cute', and/or they like it's color, or even the fact that it has a color, whereas others do not.

Originally posted by Malevolent_Jester
Yes, the Mini is smaller. However, not small enough in comparison to the regular iPod. I cannot think of an application where the 15% size decrease will be useful. White goes with everything, it's the perfect color for a product

Ok, again, there are enough people who don't care. They don't care that it's 15% percent smaller, but that it is smaller. That's all they care about. With portable electronics, smaller is cooler. Look at the recent cell phone trend. If people didn't care about size in portables, then those massive, gray, AT&T cell phones from the early 90's would still be selling. Also, people don't buy an electronic portable because it goes with their clothes. They don't care that it looks good with a suit, they just care that they have one, for whatever reason they have one for, be it to show up their friends, or to actually use the thing to store their massive music collection and to arrange phone numbers, and whatever else.

Originally posted by Malevolent_Jester
Unless the Mini's colors will be interchangeable, it will not succeed just because of it's color.

Ok, what we're neglecting to realize here is that the iPod Mini is marketed toward people who buy things because they think the color is 'cute' or cool. These are people who buy cars for the same reasons. Thus, they will sell for the very fact that people buy things without thinking them through to the fullest, ie. getting the most storage space for their money. Granted, I think interchangeable covers would be a good idea also, but think of all the things people buy that do not have 'interchangeable covers', and why they buy them, such as cars, clothing, etc. It's a brand new product, so it's by no means perfect, but still, it will sell, because there are enough people who would buy it.

[quote=pganguly]
Ok, how many times do we have to go over this: Computer savvy is not common sense.
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Knowing that 15 is greater than 4, and that the 11 difference can be gotten for $50 can be done by non-computer savvy people. Generally, people think that bigger is better. People think that "Oh, even though I don't really think I'll need the extra 11 jiggawhatmacallits for $50 it seems like a bargain, maybe I'll need it later".

[quote=pganguly]there are even fewer people who would actually look at things like gas mileage, consumer reports, and so on.
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Because of the money differences between a car and an iPod, I do not think you can compare the two. When people buy a car they make it a much bigger commitment. No, the facts that I'm basing my argument on are not listed on the actual Mini package... however, gas mileage is listed on the actual price tag paper of a car, and dealers provide you with the reports (KBB mostly) when you buy a car. But that's not the point..

The point is that even though the market is about split between the moronic impulsive buyers and the people that actually think before their purchases the Mini still can't succeed. The "smarter" buyers part is growing, people are getting more educated about things they buy. Because most people are not rich, and can't afford to throw away $250 they WILL do research. With a few clicks around the Apple site one can quickly realize the differences in the iPod Mini and iPod. Upon this, if the person at hand has even an iota of intellect, they will try squeeze a proper decision out of their pea-sized thinking lump.

[quote=pganguly]
I'd bet that roughly half purchased them as image items
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As far as image items go... an image item can only become one if enough people have it. If there is a large enough amount of people with the Minis, constructing it's image, then your argument will work. However, if at first barely anyone buys the Mini, but instead go for something else, it's image will never be made.


[quote=pganguly]They don't care that it's 15% percent smaller, but that it is smaller. That's all they care about
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If smaller really IS cooler, then people would be getting things like the Lyra and MD players and even smaller products. In comparison with other mp3 players, whether they are hard drive based or not, the iPod and the Mini are giants! They're huge!

because the general public knows apple makes sleek and often very reliable products, they tend to rather have the cool looking, newest items to show off to their friends, etc. the ipod mini is for the people that buy a new boat every year, and the people that buy a new computer every 3 months, atleast for now imo. COOKIE HAS SPOKEN!

nice new forum design btw [whoever created it]

This should prove interesting not to mention blow our theories out of the water, as to the success of the iPod Mini.

I knew someone had to buy them.

[QUOTE=Pganguly]This should prove interesting not to mention blow our theories out of the water, as to the success of the iPod Mini.

I knew someone had to buy them.[/QUOTE]

Er... your link is dead, here's what it displays:

"Your session has timed out after a period of inactivity. Please return to the Store Menu to continue shopping."

[QUOTE=Pganguly]This should prove interesting not to mention blow our theories out of the water, as to the success of the iPod Mini.

I knew someone had to buy them.[/QUOTE]
The link is session based. So I ge the session ended error. What was the link about?

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I rest my case.