here we go again...

my woes continue...

this hunk of sh!t PC isn't your average run-of-the-mill PC... it's constructed to be an "affordable graphics machine". it's just crap, however.

I don't know what's in it - I don't care. I just wish it wouldn't freeze when I put in a zip disk. Or, I wish my cheap ass printer wouldn't print out jumbled sh!t when I send a hi- res proof. I also wish my Outlook would launch. I also wish my CD burner would actually burn a CD.

said it before, I'll say it again. I don't want to screw with individual pieces within the case of my computer (regardless of platform) - I don't know many designers who do. With the exception of adding RAM and upgrading my graphics card in my G3 - I've not had any of these issues with any Macintosh computers.

when I reflect upon my personal experiences with graphics tools - I'm forced to say that PC's suck for designing. I can't say the same for hand writing HTML, or running a rip station, or playing games. I'm talking about running *reliable*day-to-day graphic design techniques: concept, production, file management, backups, archiving, and using graphics peripherals - all in one package. My choice is Mac. Ten times out of ten.

Something else occurred to me today. If a designer is only as good as his tools - I suck.

this does not sit well with me.

what is your point marble? are you saying having so many options is good or bad?

I personally don't mind having my choice limited, because I'm always shopping for what is the best out there for the money anyway. So instead of wasting dozens of hours researching my purchase, it would be nice to just buy from one place (apple) and know that I was getting the best quality, reliable merchandise. If it's too expensive, i just go to a lower model apple. it might be a little slower, but i know that it will still be made with the same quality parts and still have the same warranty and most of the same features.

with PCs i have to go to 30 different web sites comparing prices... then if I find a really great deal i have to second-guess myself wondering if they are putting in some crappy taiwanese knock-off motherboard or not. then when i decide they probably are, i have to go back and compare all those prices again looking for a more reputable company that will use different parts. but now i have to pay more money... and blah blah blah. oh who cares. this mac vs. pc debate will never ever be over. so why is it so easy to be pulled into? damn human nature and always wanting to force your opinions and beliefs on everyone you know!!

My point is a lot of designers bash pc's.... K I understand that not all pc's are great. That is why I am mentioning that aspect of pc's, they vary greatly. But.... If you went out and bought a solid pc for $2k you wouldnt complain about it not working right. But most people spend under $800 and expect it to run the best it can, and then compare it to a macintosh. Would you expect a chevy citation to run like a bmw? Would you buy a new mac for $499? and wonder if there was something cheap about it?
So my guess is that Graphics Guy has a cheap ass pc that his employer bought to save money and now all pc's are bad.

About the options. I think it is great, but that can lead to many problems if you dont know what you are buying or depend on a not so honest dealer to build you one.

Lol! I know what you mean Deker. I get pulled into these to easily. But I just had to defend pc's for a bit.... If I were a hard core designer I probably would buy a mac anyways.... hehe.

I will add one last thing to this thread. I read through Adobe's Photoshop and Illustrator forums quite a bit, both mac and windows forums in case I might miss a new trick. I've noticed a lot of dissenting opinions regarding OSX and Adobe application speeds. The problems mostly reside with Illustrator and OSX.

Go Mr bogus GO Go GO hehe.....

So my guess is that Graphics Guy has a cheap ass pc that his employer bought to save money and now all pc's are bad.

Quite clever, but not necessarily. The PC I worked on at my last job wasn't bad. It was bad in the sense that I had people submit artwork to me from high-end Mac workflows, meaning I constantly had font issues, disk issues and that color consistency thing we touched on earlier in the thread. (a dream, compared to this job)

I've been working on Mac's and PC's since 1992. I know that there are some really slick PC's out there. I just don't see alot of them in my field.

I understand. I had some problems from the reverse side, having to send grafix to print houses that only had macs and back and forth. Not so much with color because I always mailed them a hard copy of the color, or a comparable pantone color so they would get an idea what colors we needed. One forgiving rep... hehe.

I agree with Marble, I like the comparison to Dell Mac or Compaq Mac lol, I'm going to use that in my next argument at school with my art teacher. hehe

u23, you're lucky, because i have worked on some crappy, crashing macs. being the new guy at a design firm means you get a handed-down box, and i've had some that plain sucked. my current work set-up is nice (tho illustrator 10 still crashes like a big dog), but at previous gigs i would've traded for my home pc in a heartbeat...

chris

I work at home, Chris, and nobody touches my stuff but me, and my similarly skilled brother, when he visits over the holidays.

That might be why.