visible areas in browsers

can someone tell me the exact visible height in a browser set at 800 by 600, 1024 by 768, and 1152 by 864 ?

depends on stuff.... Like the toolBars, how many rows of useless crap the visitor´s got and so on..
And of course netscape/IE/Opera all have different, I´d suppose...
Maybe there is a list somewhere, on the values with different settings... Don´t know...

how many px's do you think the average person takes up in a browser with menus and what not i know mine has the stuff that it came with on it which is the file edit view etc. the navigation bar the adress bar and then this menu called links and the status bar do you have any idea how many pixels that takes up?

in DW it lists it as 420, but as paavo said, if they have extr menus, etc. it may be less and could be more.

As a general rule I take away 20 pixels for scroll bars for the size and on like 800 x 600 I don't put anything below about 400 or 420 that I want to be seen without a scroll. That is about 2/3rds, and should be about right for 1024 by 768, and 1152 by 864 as well.

I don't know about everyone in the world but Even though I have a large monitor, I DO NOT surf the web with my browser maximized. In fact I would say I probably have the browser window at about 800 x 600.

I posted this before on the forum but here it is again. Maybe it will help you decide what's a *safe* canvas size for your particular layout...

http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/99/41/index3a_page2.html?tw=design