WWIII??

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Um, any chance you've got a bit more feasible answer to the problem? Otherwise I'm going to have a really hard time dealing with any related argument you might make. "People suck and shouldn't hurt each other" is certainly true to an extent, but the fact of the matter is that there's always going to be someone using their freedom to infringe on someone else. So I'll restate, if we assume the human race is going to continue and you're opposed to any kind of violence, what do we do about it?

Here I am referring to anyone who would join or be involved in cult like activities, this also includes religion, and would die for it.

I unfortunately can't credit the author, but someone once said something to the effect of "life isn't worth living unless you believe in something enough to die for it." Personally, if it came down to it I'd like to think that I'd die for my faith, and i think i would. Some kids in Columbine did when they replied "yes" when asked if they believed in God. Does that mean that suicide = martyrdom? Not in the least, and the interesting thing is that the religion of those who died "for" their cause tells them the same thing, that their death was wrong. Being martyred for something is a consequence, not a choice.

Well clearly you have never taken history otherwise you would know of the burning times when thousands of pagans and none pagans died because of christians who thought they were evil and worshipers of the devil. Dont' tell me religion doesn't kill.

I'm going to wager that I know my religious history better than you do, if you don't believe me than try me i have to ask, did you even really read what I said? Christianity does not tell people to kill other people for their faith, neither does Islam or Judaism or anything else. People make choices and skew their belief systems to say that's ok, or worse yet they follow some religious "authority" that says it's ok. Killing has been done before in the name of a church or religion, but that doesn't mean it was done because it was supported by that faith; it was done out of personal, selfish motivation that didn't have a thing to do with God or whatever they believed in.

Chris

I have been enlightened!!! I shall not concieve another child. Let's all return to the primordial soup!!! The only way to solve this is to start over again. In the words of the great philosopher Bugs Bunny, "Two tiny amoeba, and a spark."
My final comment.
Lates,
Justin

kayflash, if you had told us your 'no more births, let humans die off' solution earlier we would not have had to waste so much time reading and responding to this thread! now i can go about my business ignoring this nonsense!

bye

Guys....might as well give up. In order to win or even to effectively debate any topic, the participants must have a common set of values or authorities which they can logically appeal to as a basis for logical debate. Kay however, has no set of values. He does not value life, he does not respect societal morals or codes of ethics--he doesn't value society, he has no religion, there is no authority higher than his own self-illumination.

Kay, you sound very lonely just waiting to die--to be released from the bondage of this crushing human form and all it's societal imperfections. I respect the "ideal" of pacifism, even if I find it niave--but you will not be able to effectively debate your views until you learn to appeal to some set of values outside of your selfish existentialism. I suggest two things--first, find God (it's better to find him now, rather than after you've been 'released'), and second, get a really good psychotherapist.

Clearly this board isn't about acceptance of peoples beliefs as you all can clearly not handle mine.

Nope, this board's all about Photoshop and other cool graphic stuff, good conversation is just a bonus ;)

Seriously, I think we have a hard time taking anything you might say seriously when your solution is "kill everybody off". Right now we're taking millitary action, which you feel is bad. I don't know that any of us think it's an ideal solution, but there's not a lot of other options. Tho you disagree, it doesn't seem you have any other options either. It doesn't leave a whole lot to discuss.

Chris

I have to laugh, but I am sadly disappointed. I cannot read KayFlash's last 2 posts because he edited them out with a "."

Obviously Kay, you do not feel strongly about your beliefs, or you would have left them for all to read.

And about not accepting your opinions...

I'm sure many people to accept them, but accepting them and agreeing with them are 2 COMPLETELY different things. You should not expect 3 people in the U.S. to agree with you on your ideas, expecially right now.

I would give 100 bucks to anyone who can tell me exactly what he said.

I gotta know.

photoshop? what the? where?
maybe now is a bad time to bring up abortion...