how to make websites

uhm.. heh, well.. guess ill try looking into it..

its just hard to get the overview.. mostly because everything is listed the way it is.. but yeah, its just a matter of adapting..

thanks for the link as well.. got more?

More layout sites:

http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/
http://realworldstyle.com/

Online CSS course:
http://www.westciv.com/courses/free/

Layout-o-Matic. You just fill out a form online, and it gives you the CSS for your site. Then you customize it.
http://www.inknoise.com/experimental/layoutomatic.php

Im using a old version of dreaweawer, so I do my layout with table... but Dreaweawer MX 2004 let you use CSS for Layout... I plan to upgrade my version (I just nedd the cash) so i guess i will use CSS for layout... adding a string to your bow never hurt...

But remember this... its better to do a good site with table, than an uglky one with css... table can be really good if you use them the good way...

Most of the site show as exemple load quikly because they use only a few images... but a good layout and good use of color... the same can be done with table...

Tables vs. CSS has nothing to do with the appearance of the site. You can make an ugly site in CSS, and you can make an ugly site with tables. You don't guarantee yourself a good looking site by using tables or CSS either one. But there are many technical reasons why using CSS is a million times better than using tables.

And Dreamweaver MX can be used just fine for CSS if you hand code it in code view. And from what I hear the CSS support in 2004 isn't that much different than MX. So I don't think upgrading is going to magically make you a CSS expert. You need to just learn it and code it by hand. Though DW does help you hand code it as well, by giving you pre-fill options for values and things.

Yeah I use Dreamweaver MX for CSS. I use the code and design view, and press F12 often to test out what it will look like. Try that.

tom

Originally posted by deker
Why do you guys think you have to sacrifice the look of the site to do CSS? IS NO ONE LOOKING AT THE FREAKIN' CSS ZEN GARDEN LINK???

I don't mean they have to look bad, but when you design a page, a lot of times you don't think about the structure of the document, and putting everything in images defeats the point of xHTML and CSS. So in that sense you do have to sacrifice a bit. Having all sorts of fancy rollover images, images displaying what would be a header, etc. all breaks the document model. I am not saying anything about it not looking beautiful.

if you look at those pages without CSS it is all text. All of the headers that are images are actually backgrounds of an H3 or something, with the H3 text hidden. So all of that text that is in images is still visible to search engines and every other device. There is most likely not a single < img> tag on that site, it's all CSS backgrounds put to clever use.

If you don't know what I'm talking about or referring to, take a look at this: http://www.stopdesign.com/also/articles/replace_text/

aha.... that is great. Good article Deker.

After readinf the article I must admit than CSS does more than I belivre it did... complete layout is a bit to much for me... for now...

But I have been using a few CSS trick for a while...

One trick I really enjoy is to use CSS to make my page print in a good way...

Take a look there, you will like this if you belive you visitors may want to print you pages, Really easy and effective...
http://www.javascriptkit.com/dhtmltutors/cssmedia.shtml

And I found this site take a look a the tutorial... really calver menu...
http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css_menus/list_01/index.htm